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<div> From my penthouse (really just top floor)</div><div>I have been very happy with Bell Business symmetric Gigabit fibre.</div><div>Paying for business lets me have symmetric bandwidth,</div><div>no filtering, no throttling, static IPs,</div><div>no contract violation running servers,</div><div>and all for ~$99.</div><div>(I pay $5 extra to *not* have a phone, but that's Bell for you)</div><div><br></div><div>Bell and Rogers both had trouble servicing the top floor.</div><div><br></div><div>I also have a Teksavvy (don't recommend it anymore) over Rogers cable.</div><div>It's asymmetric and the outbound is slower than dialup.</div><div>Rogers cable in this building runs through every apartment down the hall.</div><div><br></div><div>Similar problem with ADSL over the Bell twisted pair,</div><div>outbound is (literally) slower than dialup.</div><div>And no way to fix it between the top floor and the ground.</div><div><br></div><div>The only way out of here (apart from the microwave backhaul on the roof)</div><div>was straight down the outside of the building.</div><div>That was a giant fight for years.</div><div>Half the building thought it would look ugly.</div><div>Half the building was concerned about 'breaking the envelope'</div><div>and water leaking in from the holes coming in through the balconies.</div><div> </div><div>The easy option, with no installer coming to your house, is wireless.</div><div>Toronto 5G is as fast as any fibre you'll pull,</div><div>just use a cat (or 6) to keep the pigeons away.</div><div id="editor_signature"></div><blockquote type="cite">--- Original message --- <br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [u-u] Connectivity <br><b>From:</b> David Gilbert <uu@dclg.ca> <br><b>To:</b> <u-u@unixunanimous.org> <br><b>Date:</b> Tuesday, 07/04/2020 4:50 PM<br><br>On 2020-04-07 16:20, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite"> Apartments can be different from houses.<br><br> - Apartment wiring might be old and crappy. That might be hard to fix<br> (I don't know).<br><br> - Some apartments even have doorbells that interrupt the<br> phone line, which isn't good for Bell internet service<br></blockquote>This happens only rarely now as most apartments have newer cheaper ways <br>of doing this. 2nd phone lines and dry-loop are immune to this.<br><blockquote type="cite"> - Your apartment might even have a service like Beanfield's, and that<br> might be interesting<br></blockquote>IIRC, Beanfield has a small footprint, last I inquired, but yeah... your <br>apartment can also have a custom cable provider and whatnot. You'd <br>probably know, however, as they usually make this known rather plainly.<br><blockquote type="cite"> "Fibe (TM)" is a meaningless brand name. They want you to read<br> it as fibre optical all the way to your residence, but it doesn't mean<br> that.<br></blockquote>In fact, "Fibe" can involve no fiber at all (although this is rare). <br>You could be on a copper T3 to your aggregator (not that that uncommon) <br>to a 100 megabit (copper) or T3 (copper) access to your reseller (much <br>less common).<br><blockquote type="cite"> In my area, Rogers cable network speed is a lot faster than Bell ADSL<br> or VDSL. Bell does not yet offer FTH (Fiber to the Home). Your area<br> might be different. You can query Bell's site to find out the top<br> speed they offer you.<br></blockquote><br>I actually replied to this one message to set this one straight. When <br>rogers works, it is fast. When it doesn't ... it isn't for years in <br>your area. Of customers I have had on rogers, none has survived any <br>long period of time. Rogers IS NOT A NETWORK. Rogers is a bunch of <br>little networks patched together with duct tape and binding twine. I <br>had a customer paying Rogers $10k a month for colocation. Rogers, given <br>6 months could not get packets to a fiber directly connected to their <br>equipment at 151 from this colocation in vaughn with jitter less than <br>500ms (!?!) and latency under 50ms (!?!) and packloss under 5% (!! ?? <br>!!) even given multiple calls with C-level people looped in.<br><br>And that's just one story. I provide a lot of redundant internet. Many <br>of the backup links are Rogers. The only time I hear from these people <br>is when they're forced to use Rogers. This sample of homes and <br>businesses covers Guelph to Peterbourough, Toronto through Barrie... and <br>all over the GTA.<br><br>When Rogers is good, they are fine. When they suck, it always gets <br>worse for 6 to 12 months before getting better. Oftentimes 18 or 24.<br><br><blockquote type="cite"> Resellers are available for cable or *DSL. Bell gives them more<br> control than Rogers. If you want a static IP address, resellers can<br> do that will Bell but I don't think that they can do that with Rogers.<br></blockquote>I only offer rogers as a last resort, generally. I make more profit on <br>it, but I take more calls.<br><blockquote type="cite"> | What, if any, options do I have for getting a connection, preferably<br> | without a technician visit?<br><br> Ask them. Even if they can do a technician-free install, you may find<br> a problem that requires a tech.<br><br> I have vybenetworks.com VDSL and Rogers cable internet services. Both<br> have required tech visits over the years.<br></blockquote>In general, ADSL and VDSL can touchless install on an existing voice <br>line and my experience is that this works 80% of the time. As far as I <br>know, Rogers (even as a reseller) never does a touchless install.<br><blockquote type="cite"> | 100 GB a month and enough bandwidth for a radio feed and YouTube<br> | simultaneously ought to be adequate.<br><br> Then a VDSL feed is enough and perhaps even ADSL. But I suspect that<br> the only reason to use ADSL is if the phone line to the Central Office<br> is too old or long to support VDSL.<br></blockquote><br>ADSL can be significantly cheaper than VDSL. The difference is 6meg/800 <br>(fine for youtube/netflix and whatnot for one person) and something more <br>like 15meg/10meg. We chop $10 off for ADSL. The modems are also <br>cheaper and I think the install fee is still waved.<br><br>Both are unlimited from Towernet :).<br><br>(BTW... I wanted to add ... just to be plain that while I had got some 2 <br>week installs, we all get the same installs as someone else said).<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>u-u mailing list<br>u-u@unixunanimous.org<br><a href="https://unixunanimous.org/mailman/listinfo/u-u" target="_blank">https://unixunanimous.org/mailman/listinfo/u-u</a><br></blockquote><br>
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