[u-u] Connectivity

David Gilbert uu at dclg.ca
Tue Apr 7 16:44:32 EDT 2020

On 2020-04-07 16:20, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:

> Apartments can be different from houses.
> - Apartment wiring might be old and crappy.  That might be hard to fix
>    (I don't know).
> - Some apartments even have doorbells that interrupt the
>    phone line, which isn't good for Bell internet service
This happens only rarely now as most apartments have newer cheaper ways 
of doing this.  2nd phone lines and dry-loop are immune to this.
> - Your apartment might even have a service like Beanfield's, and that
>    might be interesting
IIRC, Beanfield has a small footprint, last I inquired, but yeah... your 
apartment can also have a custom cable provider and whatnot. You'd 
probably know, however, as they usually make this known rather plainly.
> "Fibe (TM)" is a meaningless brand name.  They want you to read
> it as fibre optical all the way to your residence, but it doesn't mean
> that.
In fact, "Fibe" can involve no fiber at all (although this is rare).  
You could be on a copper T3 to your aggregator (not that that uncommon) 
to a 100 megabit (copper) or T3 (copper) access to your reseller (much 
less common).
> In my area, Rogers cable network speed is a lot faster than Bell ADSL
> or VDSL.  Bell does not yet offer FTH (Fiber to the Home).  Your area
> might be different.  You can query Bell's site to find out the top
> speed they offer you.

I actually replied to this one message to set this one straight. When 
rogers works, it is fast.  When it doesn't ... it isn't for years in 
your area.  Of customers I have had on rogers, none has survived any 
long period of time.  Rogers IS NOT A NETWORK. Rogers is a bunch of 
little networks patched together with duct tape and binding twine.  I 
had a customer paying Rogers $10k a month for colocation.  Rogers, given 
6 months could not get packets to a fiber directly connected to their 
equipment at 151 from this colocation in vaughn with jitter less than 
500ms (!?!) and latency under 50ms (!?!) and packloss under 5% (!! ?? 
!!) even given multiple calls with C-level people looped in.

And that's just one story.  I provide a lot of redundant internet.  Many 
of the backup links are Rogers.  The only time I hear from these people 
is when they're forced to use Rogers.  This sample of homes and 
businesses covers Guelph to Peterbourough, Toronto through Barrie... and 
all over the GTA.

When Rogers is good, they are fine.  When they suck, it always gets 
worse for 6 to 12 months before getting better.  Oftentimes 18 or 24.

> Resellers are available for cable or *DSL.  Bell gives them more
> control than Rogers.  If you want a static IP address, resellers can
> do that will Bell but I don't think that they can do that with Rogers.
I only offer rogers as a last resort, generally.  I make more profit on 
it, but I take more calls.
> | What, if any, options do I have for getting a connection, preferably
> | without a technician visit?
> Ask them.  Even if they can do a technician-free install, you may find
> a problem that requires a tech.
> I have vybenetworks.com VDSL and Rogers cable internet services.  Both
> have required tech visits over the years.
In general, ADSL and VDSL can touchless install on an existing voice 
line and my experience is that this works 80% of the time.  As far as I 
know, Rogers (even as a reseller) never does a touchless install.
> | 100 GB a month and enough bandwidth for a radio feed and YouTube
> | simultaneously ought to be adequate.
> Then a VDSL feed is enough and perhaps even ADSL.  But I suspect that
> the only reason to use ADSL is if the phone line to the Central Office
> is too old or long to support VDSL.

ADSL can be significantly cheaper than VDSL.  The difference is 6meg/800 
(fine for youtube/netflix and whatnot for one person) and something more 
like 15meg/10meg.  We chop $10 off for ADSL.  The modems are also 
cheaper and I think the install fee is still waved.

Both are unlimited from Towernet :).

(BTW... I wanted to add ... just to be plain that while I had got some 2 
week installs, we all get the same installs as someone else said).

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