[u-u] COVID-19 craziness

Hugh Gamble hugh at phaedrav.com
Tue Apr 7 19:00:20 EDT 2020

 With hardware passthrough, you can have your 64 bit VM
hosting 64 bit VMs with no significant performance hit.

I like to run Win 10 Hyper-V hosting Linux.
The Linux can run VirtualBox (maybe kvm these days)
and host your sandboxed Windows Vista.

With the right excuses, it's not even crazy.

Running WINE inside Linux has gotten crazy.
But Windows Subsystem for Linux has gotten crazy good.
We're getting into lighter weight containers here,
rather than full blown VMs.
You can have all your Linux without even a proper hypervisor.

Then I see somebody still trying to dual boot, and it makes me cry.

> --- Original message ---
> Subject: Re: [u-u] COVID-19 craziness
> From: David Gilbert <uu at dclg.ca>
> To: <u-u at unixunanimous.org>
> Date: Saturday, 04/04/2020 1:32 PM
> On 2020-04-04 12:28, Jim Mercer wrote:
>> so,
>> somehow, the surreal nature of our current condition, has caused some 
>> people
>> to do strange things.
>> for me, it has been to largely migrate my desktop from Windows to 
>> Ubuntu/Gnome.
> Congratulations, really.  It is non-trivial and it's trivial things 
> that
> make it both non-trivial and than later livable.  My own quest is to
> have a Windows that can boot FreeBSD as a guest and have that same
> FreeBSD that can boot that same windows as a guest.  I have this
> partially working at the moment.
>> next on my plate is Eve Online.
>> i have found a number of walk-throughs which purport to get it running 
>> under
>> wine, however, in my journey to get Vsphere working, i know that 
>> getting things
>> running under wine requires generous amounts of luck, patience and 
>> googling.
>> since Eve is really the only game i play (i don't do 
>> console/nintendo/etc,
>> and i recently got addicted, then unaddicted, to games on my phone), 
>> i'm also
>> not really familiar with the current state of PC gaming.
>> apparently there is this Steam thing, which may or may not have a role 
>> in
>> running Eve on linux.  but it seems to want to insert itself between 
>> me
>> and CCP (the company that i pay for the privilege of playing).
>> another route i'm finding on google is Lutris.  this seems to be some 
>> kinda
>> wrapper around games, which also includes a "linux launcher".
>> any advice on this would be appreciated.
> It has been awhile since Eve was my passion.  There are parts of my
> personality that don't do well with it.  But your goal of gaming on
> non-windows was my goal when I was playing Eve, so I'll talk about my
> experiences.
> First of all, as you know, the Eve client (and servers) are written in
> python.  I believe it's Iron Python or a variant, but I'm willing to 
> be
> missrembering that.  There was, at one time, about 7 or 10 years ago, 
> a
> client for Eve that ran on Linux.  In their "great wisdom," CCP 
> decided
> to discontinue the linux client back then... that it was too much work
> ... or that a feature they wanted to implement was not available in
> OpenGL, I don't remember.
> But most importantly, any hack you bring to the table to run Eve (be 
> it
> wine-base, vm-based, or python-linux based), know that any update 
> (from
> CCP) can break you and you're at the whim of your solution as to when 
> it
> will be fixed.  If I play skyrim with a wine hack; first of all, it
> doesn't update often, and second, I can refuse an update.  Not update
> until the solution is at hand. I do this to keep my copy of SKSE
> working.  You don't have this choice for eve.  In the end, the 
> solution
> you choose may have you out-of-action for some number of days unless 
> you
> have a windows install waiting in the wings that is functional enough 
> to
> tide you over.
> As to "which is best" ... you need a system by which DX10 or DX11 (I
> forget... I don't think they use 12) is converted to OpenGL. Wine is 
> the
> source of this nonsense.  There is Wine and then there are instances 
> of
> wine curated and marketed by someone who wants you to pay (and
> inevitably might provide a slightly better experience when things 
> break).
> Just my 0.02.
> Dave.
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